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Juan Thornhill Clinton Portis Jersey , CB/SSchool: Virginia| Conference: ACCExperience: Senior | Age: 2?Height / Weight: 6-0 / 210 lbsProjected Draft Status: Round 2-3NFL Comparison: Adrian AmosCollege StatisticsPlayer OverviewCame to Virginia rated as a three-star recruit. Thornhill started as a sophomore and Junior at corner, before moving to safety as a Senior.He led UVA with 98 tackles in 2018. Athletic Traits (Pre-Combine)You have to take these unofficials with a grain of salt, but only nine defensive backs have ran a better 3-cone time over the past five NFL Combines, and only ten DBs have jumped higher than Thornhill’s reported 40.5 inch vertical over the past five years.Given these reported workout numbers and based on his film, I would estimate Thornhill will run his 40 between 4.48 and 4.52 seconds. The Film.StrengthsAn experienced, savvy player, and a smooth athlete.Able to find the ball, with 26 passes defended, including thirteen interceptions in his career. Instincts and vision serve him well in zone coverage.Anticipates and mirrors routes well in man coverage. Durable. Missed only one game the past three seasons. Frequently lined up in press-man as a junior and experience as a corner gives him the versatility at the next level.As a safety, Thornhill can play as a single-high, cover-two, quarters, etc.Has the physical traits to lineup with flexed tight ends and big-bodied possession receivers. WeaknessesInconsistent making a play on the ball in the air.Not an intimidating striker as a tackler.May not have elite make-up speed to compensate for false steps. Sometimes he bit on double moves when playing corner, and could be exposed in the NFL if he is too aggressive. Quicker slot receivers, would likely be a difficult match-up for Thornhill. Does not profile well as a box safety.What Others Are Saying Draft analyst, Fran Duffy compares Thornhillto Eddie JacksonDuffy wrote ”I’ve been a fan of Juan Thornhill for a long time, going back to his sophomore season as a corner that the coaching staff talked about potentially moving to safety. That discussion continued into his junior year until injuries forced him to stay outside. Finally, in his senior season, the 6-1, 212-pounder slid inside for good and has been a playmaker for the Cavaliers all season long. The ball-hawking safety was an impact player for the UVA defense, and the way he patrols the secondary reminds me of another former corner who made the transition to the back end midway through his college career – Chicago Bears safety and former Alabama star Eddie Jackson.I like Thornhill a lot, and view him as a player who could hear his name called in the first round next spring.”Senior Bowl executive director Jim Nagy came away impressed, noting his “disciplined zone integrity, good anticipation, and secure hands (an underrated trait for a defensive back).” He also notes that he’s a quality defender in the box against the run, something you don’t see a lot of from rangy safeties. “NFL teams are very enticed by Thornhill’s skill-set as a safety and would even want to see him rep as an outside cornerback in a Senior Bowl environment,” writes Nagy. “If he continues to excel in his high/low safety role and displays adequate cover skills as a cornerback, Thornhill could become a favorite of many teams come draft time.”GBN Report - In today’s NFL, where the criteria for S play has turned from head-hunter to coverage guy, it is always worth watching when you find a S, who has previously played CB. Tony Pauline - Thornhill, a player who entered the season with middle round grades and someone we spoke highly of during our UVa preview, has been impressive (as a senior). Thornhill is a nice sized defensive back with a physical nature to his game. He’s stout defending the run and offers solid ball skills. Solid pre-draft workouts could push Thornhill into the third round.How Would He Fit On The Redskins A couple of months ago, the Redskins looked set at safety, with DJ Swearinger, HaHa Clinton Dix, and Montae Nicholson.Fast forward, and Swearinger is no longer on the team, Clinton Dix is a free agent, and Nichloson has been arrested. Thornhill has experience at both safety and cornerback positions, giving him a lot of position flexibility entering the NFL. In 2018, Virginia’s Quin Blanding Brandon Scherff Jersey , despite being a former 5-star recruit and four year starter went undrafted.He was not alone, as Oklahoma’s Steven Parker, Georgia’s Dominque Sanders, and Ohio State’s Damon Webb also failed to be selected. The theme, big hitters with poor athleticism are being devalued by the NFL. If you can’t cover, the NFL has little use for you.Fortunately, Thornhill excels in coverage from a variety of techniques. He has a natural feel for spacing in zone coverage, while also effective in man coverage where his length and physicality can be smothering. In Adrian Amos and Eddie Jackson, the Chicago Bears have a great safety tandem, each of whom spent part of their collegiate career at corner.While I can see the Eddie Jackson comp, he wasarguably the best safety in the league in 2018, making the Amos comp a more realistic comparison. I think Thornhill can provide a similar skill set to the Redskins’ back end. Hogs Haven takes a look at 2019 NFL Draft prospects who could contribute to the Redskins"Will Grier, QBSchool: West Virginia | Conference: BIG 12College Experience: RS Senior | Age: 24Height / Weight: 6-2 / 217 lbsProjected Draft Status: 2nd or 3rd RoundNFL Comparison: Garrett GraysonCollege StatisticsPlayer OverviewWill Grier was a 4-star prospect from Davidson, North Carolina who originally committed to the Florida Gators. Grier was the best QB Florida had had since Tim Tebow and got off to a promising start in Gainesville before he was suspended for the rest of the season for testing positive for a banned substance. Accordion to Grier, the situation left him in the doghouse with then head coach Jim McElwain and McElwain no longer wanted him. Grier says he really wanted to return but that his coach had already picked Luke Del Rio to play the following season and was focused on landing Feleipe Franks in recruitment. Grier left and transferred to West Virginia. After sitting out a year due to transfer rules Grier restarted his college career at WVU. Grier had a prolific career at West Virginia. He is 3rd in school history in all time passing yardage. He is second in school history in passing touchdowns. He is the leader in passer rating in school history. Grier is a polarizing prospect. Whats on paper and what the analytics show are off the charts. But taking a deeper look you can see holes in his game. The big question? Can he improve? Can he learn how to play with more complex concepts and under pressure? Can he be an NFL quarterback? Some team will be wiling to spend a high round pick to find out.StrengthsShows quick and accurate release. Timing of throws looks good so does touch. Makes a living on short one-read timed throws. Willing to take chances downfield when they present themselves. Sets feet and base and can deliver the ball accurately on those deep throws. Has the maturity to go to his second and third options when the first isn’t there. Decent innate ability to sense pressure and move up and around the pocket to find space to operate. When under pressure he keeps his eyes downfield. Well protected at WVU so he doesn’t have the yips. Willing to be patient and wait until routes develop and works with his receivers when they improvise.Arm strength and velocity is adequate. He’ll be able to make most of the key throws a starting caliber QB should. Shows decent mobility on the run and ball accuracy doesn’t suffer too much. Viewed a a mature leader who is willing to take ownership of mistakes and work to improve himself. Reportedly has good rallying presence in the locker room. WeaknessesBenefited and took advantage of just about every opportunity (as he should have) Dana Holgerson’s scheme gave him. Offense was based on quick one read timing throws as well and working to get a man open downfield. Didn’t face much pressure and when he did more times than not he held onto the ball for too long. Anticipation must improve when his guys downfield are challenged in coverage. He tends to just chuck it up and most of the time his guys got enough separation to haul it in. That is not going to work in the NFL and if he doesn’t learn to read the cues of more capable defensive backs playing tight coverage he could be in for a lot of trouble in the way of turnovers. Mechanics are inconsistent especially on the rare occasions he was faced with pressure. At times he looked great other times his throwing motion changes launch point is loose and inconsistent. He has footwork issues and needs to be mindful of his backfoot lining up with the throw. Arm strength is just ok. He really has a cap at around 50 yards or so and definitely will be limited by scheme and situation in the NFL.Processing on delayed pressure is slow. 7 fumbles in his career. Older prospect at 24 years old. Let’s see his work:More Will Grier videosGradeSize (out of 10) | Not just height/weight. Russell Wilson and Baker Mayfield would be a 6 or 7 here because they’re thickly built and take hits well.Grade: 6.5 | Grier has decent size but isn’t physically imposing on the field and doesn’t have much musculature. Arm Talent (out of 10) | Arm Talent is mostly raw strength of the arm, but also ability to throw different types of balls (bullets, touch passes, etc.) and from different angles/platforms. Mahomes is a god at this -- 9 or 10 raw strength but also a magician from different arm angles. Pennington couldn’t throw 40 yards.Grade: 6.5 | Grier gets this grade because I am considering his touch. His arm strength is pretty limited and I don’t think I’ve seen him chuck it more than 50 yards. Release points need work. Accuracy (out of 15) | Pretty self-explanatory. One of the most important traits of a good QB. Ability to place the ball where they want on the receiver at all levels of the field. Also interception %.Grade: 13 | Accuracy is easily Griers best trait. He is on target with the vast majority of his throws and has demonstrated that he can hit guys in between the numbers and place for them in good sport to go get. He had and excellent TD/INT ratio and completion % in school.Mobility (out of 10) | Not just straight line speed, but escapability and maneuverability in the pocket.Grade: 6 | He looks like he’s laboring when he’s running and he isn’t very fast but I give him credit for maneuvering in the pocket. Mental Processing (out of 15) | Ability to read defenses, make pre-snap adjustments, and go through progressions after the ball is snapped to make decisions quickly. Peyton and Brady are examples of coaches on the field.Grade: 9 | This is really hard to gauge because of the lack of pressure and some of the soft coverage he played. I will give him above average marks though because he has shown the ability to look off defenses, go to his 2nd or 3rd option, and feel the pocket and deliver accurate throws under pressure at times.Mechanics (out of 10) | Footwork, delivery, throwing motion, release. Impacts accuracy, arm strength, and ability to throw in a bad pocket. I’d say this is important for longevity and consistency.Grade: 7 | Mechanics are largely good because of his clean pocket they break down when he has to move and scramble. He also needs better consistency here. Leadership (out of 15) | Hard to quantify, but basically, do they make the players around them better? Leadership comes in different styles, not just rah-rah guys, but leadership by example as well. For college evaluation, what do their coaches and teammates say about them, or do they avoid mentioning leadership? What do opposing coaches say about them?Grade: 13 | Grier is reportedly an excellent leader. He can rally his teammates and though the system he played in made him better it shouldn’t be ignored that he got the most out of his teammates in that system as well. Clutch (out of 15) | Another relatively subjective metric, but extremely important. Do they fold under pressure or can they rally their team to a comeback?Grade: 7.5 | West Virginia didn’t have a ton of close games but from the one’s I know of this year Grier had mixed results. He lead a rally against Texas late but failed to do that against Oklahoma or Oklahoma State. I can’t give him more than average marks here.Total: 68.5/100How He Would Fit On The RedskinsThe Redskins are clearly feeling desperate for a QB as they enter the draft. I maintain for the record that they should stand pat and steer clear of any QB option that doesn’t fall to them. I enjoy high flying offenses as much as the next guy in college but I think its pretty clear Grier is not Mahomes. In any sane QB draft I think Grier would be a 4th round pick at best. I think its simply an impossible evaluation to do on him (though I tried) because of the clean pockets and open receivers he had in college. That simply do not happen with nearly the same consistency in the NFL. I think its clear as day the horror Redskins fans might see out of a guy like Grier when he’s playing from behind and under pressure. I don’t think he is unworthy of a draft pick but I question his ability to be a consistent, productive, long time starter in the league and if you aren’t getting that why spend a pick on day 1 or 2? By all accounts Grier is a stand up guy. I am certain his personality and leadership ability would make for a better team overall. His projected accuracy may even be better than the current QBs on the roster. However I really feel he is lacking in critical areas such as escapability, arm strength, mechanics, and overall processing. Optimistically he could thrive in that short quick one read stuff that the offense incorporated last year but that puts a big cap on productivity. The team doesn’t need to play the role of hopeful optimistic fixer for a player like this because the odds are pretty clear in league history about chances of success. I’m sure the team likes the positives in Grier. He is a winner and he has a prolific career but it would be a fools errand to think he could carry the team on offense.

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